According to the sources cited, the "formal sciences" which includes "logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science" among others is taught as part of a liberal arts education framework in all universities, at least in North America were all accredited universities follow a liberal arts education framework and where most liberal arts-style education is most taught in the world.
If you have problems with the scholarly consensus definition of liberal arts education (which is also known as the " arts and sciences" at most universities) which includes the natural sciences and formal sciences along side the humanities, social sciences, and creative arts, go to the talk page to air out your objections to scholarly consensus. And stop deleting sourced material.
Here is the breakdown of all the sub-categories of Liberal arts education (if you want sources go to the article) --
The modern use of the term liberal arts consists of four areas: the natural sciences, social sciences formal sciences, and humanities. Academic areas that are associated with the term liberal arts include:
- Natural science
- Formal science (Logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science, etc.)
- Social science (anthropology, economics, human geography, linguistics, political science, jurisprudence, psychology, sociology, etc.)
See revision of https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liberal_arts_education&oldid=1166135278 because someone keeps deleting not only the information stated there but also the sources that backs up the text.
188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Your edits are not supported by sourcing - you cannot simply change the article to your personal beliefs about the subject. Substituting 'formal science' for the 'arts' as one of the main areas of a liberal arts education is simply disconnected from reality. - MrOllie (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Look, I'm not substituting the term "arts" for "formal sciences," the term "arts" identified in this context with the terms "creative arts" or "fine arts" is redundant because the "creative arts" are a tertiary sub-category of humanities the same exact way "life sciences" and "physical science" are tertiary sub-categories of natural sciences. If for example, if the text instead of saying "liberal arts consists of ... the natural sciences, social sciences, arts, and humanities" it says 'liberal arts consists of ... the natural sciences, life sciences, physical science, social sciences, arts, logic, mathematics, statistics, computer science, language arts, filming, and humanities" I would follow the same logic as before, remove the redundancies and concisely write 'liberal arts consists of four areas: the natural sciences, social sciences formal sciences, and humanities' where the term "humanities" is already inclusive of the "arts" which is a factual statement in line with the sources already cited in the text and scholarly consensus. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- This is all WP:NOR. Removing 'arts' because you personally think it is redundant is the problem, as is adding 'formal science' because of the way you personally categorize things. MrOllie (talk) 15:45, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Speaking of redundancy, though, please stop bloating the article lead with unnecessary trivia. It is supposed to be short and simple, we don't need to list every variant of post-secondary educational institution. MrOllie (talk) 15:52, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Here is a quote from a sources if you can't find this out yourself (https://www.topuniversities.com/blog/what-liberal-arts-education):
- What is Liberal Arts Education? -- By Hasna Haidar
- "What is liberal arts education today?
- So, in a modern context, what is a liberal arts education? There are now many subjects that fall within the broad scope of the category; a typical liberal arts degree program is interdisciplinary, covering topics within the humanities, as well as social, natural and formal sciences. There are differences in the particular subjects included in liberal arts degree programs at different institutions. However, the liberal arts spectrum is generally accepted as covering the following fields:
- * Humanities – includes art, literature, linguistics, philosophy, religion, ethics, modern foreign languages, music, theater, speech, classical languages (Latin/Greek) etc.
- * Social sciences – includes history, psychology, law, sociology, politics, gender studies, anthropology, economics, geography, business informatics, etc.
- * Natural sciences – includes astronomy, biology, chemistry, physics, botany, archaeology, zoology, geology, Earth sciences, etc.
- * Formal sciences – includes mathematics, logic, statistics, etc."
220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- You should have a read of WP:RS. A blog on 'topuniversities.com' is not going to help you here. MrOllie (talk) 15:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- "Today liberal arts include humanities, social sciences, natural sciences and formal sciences. When its historical roots are traced, it is found that the liberal arts were the oldest higher" -
- This is From "Liberal Arts Education: Imparting Intellectual Vision" by Samhita K of Jain University-Bangalore in the International Journal of Scientific Research Engineering & Technology (IJSRET), ISSN 2278 – 0882 (Volume 7, Issue 9, September 2018) - Link: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Samhita-Krishnaswamy/publication/328381909_Liberal_Arts_Education_Imparting_Intellectual_Vision/links/5bc99081a6fdcc03c793afa8/Liberal-Arts-Education-Imparting-Intellectual-Vision.pdf .
- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Nor is a well-known predatory journal. MrOllie (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
More sources incoming:
22.214.171.124 (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
The spitefulness I just faced is just petty, are they really just going to revert the term "legal case" to "or a specific/a specific group of lawsuit(s)/court case(s)" evidenced by them in the strategic communication article saying "Dept of redundancy dep" just as a jab at me because I made sourced edits on a completely different article that didn't fit their personal beliefs. The term "legal case" is a lot better and concise relative to the phrase "or a specific/a specific group of lawsuit(s)/court case(s)". That's just unfair. [Just to be on the safe side and to give the benefit of the doubt to other, if that wasn't meant to be a spiteful jab at me over something petty and was a good faith edit, I will recant this and continue as if it never happened]. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- When someone is making the encyclopedia worse on one article, it is pretty standard to look at their contributions to see if they are also making it worse elsewhere. In this case I found some more stuff that needed fixing. MrOllie (talk) 17:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)